DISQUS

George Frink · 1 year ago

Bill drifted through the NC county of my birth day before yesterday, arriving late and leaving early for another destination where the campaign donation pickings were better. One manipulation too many for some old friends there, who are now no longer in the Billary camp. & if HRC gets the nod, they'll vote McCain without so much as blinking.

Miss Britt · 1 year ago

I know what a tough decision this is to make, because I've been grappling with it myself.

But I can't imagine voting McCain and his 100 more years in Iraq either.

I'm afraid if HRC gets the nod, the Democratic party will simply implode.

MissM · 1 year ago

I will vote Democratic regardless, although if its for Hillary, I'll be holding my nose to do it. I fear that Hillary being the candidate will motivate more to vote for McCain. Ironic that the hope that Obama represents is the 1992 Clinton version. Don't forget Nader is "running" again, and could be a spoiler, again...
Desperately seeking optimism, hope and truth,
Jane

Judy · 1 year ago

Amen, brother... I agree with you 100%. Hillary and Bill are acting without shame.

J Wood · 1 year ago

Was the Ferraro bit mentioned on the April 30 NewsGang verified, that bit about her claiming Obama engineered the whole Wright thing?

That didn't strike me as particularly crazy on her part. If legit, it strikes me as calculated. I've watched Rove do this; I teach a writing course based around media criticism, and it became a kind of scavenger hunt for my students to see what Rove or some other proxy was accusing someone of, and then to trace how that was actually being done by the administration. It was fun -- I didn't have to introduce any politics, just offer up as much info as possible, and the students started to find the rhetorical patterns (there's a good one between Rove, Rumsfeld, and who was actually talking to insurgents in Baghdad).

By calling out the other side and accusing them of something your side has done, it deflects and confuses the shallow investigation arm of the media.

So knowing that the person who organized Wright's speech was an enthusiastic Clinton supporter, and that Wright was familiar with the Clinton's probably before he knew much about Obama (there were photos of Wright with the Clintons from the 90's), I wonder if Wright was encouraged by people closer to Clinton, and if Ferraro's comment -- if it happened -- was a Roveroo (Karl Rove Switcheroo).

Karoli · 1 year ago

Thanks, everyone!

@MissM, I thought like you did. But the problem I have is that if Hillary Clinton were to get the nomination, and I were to vote for her and she won, the message left behind would be a solid warning to any politician who chose to run for office in an ethical and upright fashion. That message is "only dirty politics win".

A victory by Hillary Clinton is no victory at all. It would mean losing all those engaged new Democrats to apathy or the Republicans. It encourages the incompetent and biased reporting we've seen throughout this primary season.

It gives legitimacy to illegitimate practices, and that's why I finally had to agree with Steve -- not rewarding bad behavior, even when it's painful, is the better choice.

MissM · 1 year ago

You're right Karoli. I've always tried to vote for who I thought would be the best president between the choices given, and find myself voting against lies and for truth, as best as I can. I believe that public financing of elections is one way of turning this boat around and making elections more positive. I just wish they were campaigning against McCain, instead of each other. The continuation of the primaries is ridiculous and weakens our position.

As to continued engagement of the citizenry, I've come to the conclusion that apathy is rampant. I believe that Obama is the antidote, with his message of hope and what America can be, but isn't now.

Vanessa · 1 year ago

Karoli, I understand your logic about the result of not voting if Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee. I hear you on the Independent Party. I really do get the logic but my heart is not there yet.

I'm praying that she will be a non-issue soon and I won't have to think about voting or not voting for her. I don't believe anything she says so who's to say there will be real difference between her and McCain?

Heaven help us help ourselves!